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發表於 2013-4-19 13:49:40 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
中国政府跟曰本建交時双方曾為釣魚島定下默契擱置爭議。而後来中日双方都阻止國民登島。直至最近日本購島中国才强硬。你可說中国為了利益現實才讓步但並冇不對,從來政治就要現實。中国二戰後為何放弃日本賠償各師兄可問當時的國民政府。大家可不認同共產党但不可放棄中国人格,不要以为是和平表現,這只令外国人更看不起你,現菲律宾和越南等小国都争南沙,為何師兄們覺得中国强硬是不對?雖然釣

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發表於 2013-4-19 13:54:45 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
雖然钓鱼岛是小,但這是第一岛鏈及二百海里经济海區。不能有失。你可看不起中国軍力但比日本防衛性軍力一定嬴。
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發表於 2013-4-19 14:34:21 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
師兄羅缉好有問題,領土完整,自由政权及共产主义混為一談,日本自由就要送钓鱼
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發表於 2013-4-19 14:36:19 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
香港又自由啦叫日本送冲繩俾我们渡假?吾該用中文
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忽然一Q 發表於 2013-4-20 00:32
你忘記了主謀----------->中國共慘黨?

詹瑞文都講話:差唔多啦! 。。。成個政府只得一千零一個黨咁大把!
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發表於 2013-4-20 02:21:08 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 你檡楷 於 2013-4-20 02:30 編輯
Hongkongcowboy 發表於 2013-4-19 13:49
中国政府跟曰本建交時双方曾為釣魚島定下默契擱置爭議。而後来中日双方都阻止國民登島。直至最近日本購島中 ...


唔係喎!大哥....!講就話大家擱置爭議。不過日本在九十年代經常喺釣魚台大搖大擺,中國正苦就一粒聲都無出過,而且非常之禮讓,頂多只係求其講兩句就算數,好似當無發生事!最離譜就係,中共唔做野不特止,反而仲阻頭阻勢唔畀民間保釣組織出海宣示主權!
你仲記唔記得1996年,陳毓祥在釣島附近水域溺斃。當年香港保釣漁船載着中國大陸及港、澳保釣人仕、聯同台灣保釣組織一同出發往釣魚台宣示主權,但遭日方阻撓。最後距離釣魚島附近水域停下,並在行動中陳毓祥遇溺身亡。
雖然有人為保釣而犧牲,但係中共就好似當睇唔到無發生過事!一於好少理!
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發表於 2013-4-20 05:42:58 | 顯示全部樓層
當年中共無$,現在強國人大巴$,點打都得!當年香港打工仔上大陸當自己富豪啦○
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發表於 2013-4-20 09:32:09 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
回應李檡楷師兄
國与國争議有可能發展到兩軍對峙,當時八九十年代,中国空海軍未能有效壓制日軍,怎可能將钓鱼台惡化,我覺得中国聰明就真,將問題擱置爭取時間,到現在強硬未遲,民間保釣只是一時發洩,日本人根本不理你。白白犠牲。所以大家應理性點
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發表於 2013-4-20 11:53:40 | 顯示全部樓層
hchoy 發表於 2013-4-20 01:13
回應 ironman75 #22 的帖子

So you sided with the Japs & denounced your elders, as well forgotten the ...

I don't use aggressive personal insulting words in forum, only loser will do such to start with conversation or arguement.

For ur info, in war everyone suffer. My last 4 generation( as I have known them when they are alive). Been thru ww2, none of them keep on telling me to hate the Japanese. Not my surrounding Chinese friends, not In public or real life.( May be they have put it online that wouldnt know).)

You hate japs for what they did, I am not sure of ur experience in that, may be u would have really suffer from there and felt u lost something.....or did u lose something? Ur family lose something? Or the government lose someone and the government educate the children Japs stole from them?
(education and media blockage is china, I don't blame you, and I am sure some of them are real)

Now, questions:

How many of ur friends and family and ego died during ww2?

Compare it with when china become china after hundreds year of war, different tribe/Cantonese/hokkien/Yeow chew/Hakka/tibetan/.........has died and torture to give up the land?    I didn't see the china government educate it the way they have educate to hate jap? Shouldn't u be more hatred towards other dialect of Chinese? Amongs different sir name have their own village or tribe, they goes to war with each other as well...do u carry on hating them and was told in ur text book and allow to be in he media?   So many history fact has been hidden from everyone..... And now u hate japs so much?  

U get the island, so what? The government or u r having it? Whatever resources gonna be mine by u?  So hates the jap as u like..., everyone has their own view.  I don't have to accept Yours and u don't have to accept mine. That's fine with me. I would have thought hong kong people is much more freedom in thought.... No offense, I have plenty of hong kong friend in real life.



Have u even thought of , why the hatred towards japs? Where that come from,is it fromu or someone might have influence u to hate jap? Textbook? Media? Article? Why only hate japs, when there are so many hatreds among Chinese ? Well I guess, is bad policy to create internal conflict, so let's hate japs!  That's a very powerful tool "what u read in school" and "media" which the government is the master.





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發表於 2013-4-20 12:04:11 | 顯示全部樓層
hchoy 發表於 2013-4-20 01:09
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Ironman, you are full of jelly, no guts no iron!

None of the suffer unmentioned has affected my family, my friends, my relative, people I know of in so many countries where the chines I know.

May be your family and elders have, I am so sorry for them. Hope their offspring are doing well now.

I don't like war, don't like what the fact the ww2 has happened. Emotional,speech and possible actions from people like u gonna cause the ww3.

Have u seen war? Have u been in a war? U are another guy who wants revenge I guess. May I suggest u to find logic in the history of ur family back ground, match the cover china history? Unmight find there are more conflicts amongs chinese in the old days before there are china. I guess u might want to start hating everyone not ur kind or dialect............the u compare the fact that ur family and elders lost to jap. Well then u can certified that u hates japs and want to kill them all, make sure don't say say... Talk and no action...... U can join the army and take ur initiative to sacrifice urself to take the revenge. If ur hatred are so much....

Take pride in the action , u are doing it for ur elders.      So proud of u man.


I guess the china government will be glad for ur ur action.

Good luck to u
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本帖最後由 ironman75 於 2013-4-20 15:16 編輯
hchoy 發表於 2013-4-20 14:18
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Put aside hate, emotion, family suffering, afraid of war etc.


This is a much better and fair comment.

The Japan government didn't invade China. The emperor kingdom did. I think this is how it is.
I think what most people asking is the apology from the emperor of Japan. Who doesn't administrate Japan affair now.
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本帖最後由 ironman75 於 2013-4-20 16:05 編輯
hchoy 發表於 2013-4-20 14:01
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You do not hate Japs just because none of your family were harmed in WW2? ...


No , I do not hate japs.

Is stupid to hate japs. In war, the leader is to responsible for it. Why hate the japs?  

U work in a company, u r the owner, u want it to process like this and it's compliance to do so, and one crooked guy who didn't follow and cause a life or big loss for the customer.
In a western way of multinational company this day, the CEO will apologize and will take action on the employee for not comply.
In an old traditional rich man own business, ignore it or pretend don't know or even scolded the customer and put fault in the customer.

Either way, u as one of he employee. U r to be hate by the customer. Fair? The customer wants to kill all of you, what do u think?
Now put it in after ww2. You hate jap.  Well it's your choice.   Again, I don't hate jap.


No apology. Tell me, did china government apology to any of the wrong doing? What so different between the leader in terms of apology ? I have never seen (may be unlucky for me), an official china government apologize in any matters.

Have you been to Japan? U see how their manner? Every single wrong thing they make mistake they apologize. U see how the follow the social regulations? Law abiding citizens.
No disrespect to regula chinese, I don't have that experience, but it has been improving.

Why should I hate japs? No I don't.

Like this articles and many other article that never appeal in china media or education Info......... Why is it so many people few offenssive automatically without even asking is it true?  And straight away scolded the poster....... Imagine how deep the Chinese government education and media has influence the people thought.

Japanese has never given out so much fund to any countries then china.

May be u can go do one research ( I heard).... The amount of fund that is given by Japanese to the war time women who were rapes........ I don't know how much ....ww2 till now is more than 50 years...the amount of money been paid to these unfortunate women is getting more and more, but logistically the number of living should be reduced yearly( we are human, life comes to and end). The amount od fund I remember I read it somewhere, it's huge...and in 50 years..that's a substantiate amount. BUT every time when china media start telling this , they will put up photos of how pitiful the unfortunate women is living now...and every other media start bombarding Japan again and create more hatred toward japs.... .....l why no one ask about where has the money gone?  Isn't this and action of apology? And who has taken the apology and hide it and not to tell the Chinese people, but instead keep the money, continue let the Chinese hate the japs, and every year when times come bring out the issue and get paid again.
Korea government also received such funding without telling the victims until pressure is too much and admitted that the fund was a deal between governments and the fund was use to fund Korea economic development. On the China part, u might want to do the research..... Every time is civilian raised up not the china government right?   I guess its like the Korea government case. Some agreement has been made and fund has been paid but not to the victim, to who ? U might want to do that research... It is a apology action by the jap government.


Who is actually building the hates in u toward the japs?  

Again, I don't hate japs.
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發表於 2013-4-20 15:37:16 | 顯示全部樓層
deal1wak 發表於 2013-4-20 15:05
希望大家分清楚國家與政府,我們或許不完全同意中央政府,但我們必需愛我們的國家 絕不能容忍領土被侵佔.釣魚 ...

赞成爱国。

赞成领土不能被侵占。



岛屿归谁,我无权过问。两个国家各有各的坚持。我本人觉的两国应该上相关的海洋国际法院决定。
如两方领袖都是为民而言。不是为自己的职为。 因以长远来说,岛屿的战争一定会来如不解决领土问题。


有句话我想说,可能大家都不会喜欢的。
二战,日本占领中国。因美国的介入,日本投降。日本和美国签署了投降协议。据里面的投降协议,日本和美国说那岛是有日本来管理。中国政府说不承认那协议因为中国没有代表在场。    如没代表在场,不承认协议,那是不是说日本没投降,中国还在日本统治下?
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發表於 2013-4-20 20:20:28 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
Ironman 師弟,你說四代都经历二戰。我想你是八十後吧,我英文不太好希望冇誤解的意思。我们為何要記住日本侵華,這並非鼓吹仇日,像大多数戰爭纪念館只希望後人能記住歷史不要再犯同样錯誤,你說中国政府教育仇日,請問你有受這教育否,我肯定你冇,否则你應恨日本人,如你在中国受教卻爱日本,那中国並冇教你仇日,如你没有在中国受教育,那你什么知?是否看到日本人報導?你竟幼稚地想信,他们在曆史教科書並没有侵華暦史,連南京大屠杀都否定,你又相信?你說中国曆史上都侵犯其他国家,簡直不知所谓,要知道全世界在中世纪都不斷戰爭,你熱爱的日本未统一時也打生打死。统一後又侵華,台湾,韓國,琉球。你是否覺得對?為何我们對日本侵華這麼大反应?一是近代,二是他殘殺中国人,尤其是在南京,三是它死不認錯。我们不要鼓吹戰爭,中国强軍正是為和平,如你冇實力它肯坐下來和談嗎?你只會像伊拉克,利比亜,阿富汗,美国想怎打為打。這是恐怖平衡但亦是世界現實,並不是你幼稚思想可解决,可幸你祖先並非在南京出生,否则你祖先可能已被日本人殺死,你並不存在了。你家庭未受傷害而對日本心存爱意。這表示你泠血而己。
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發表於 2013-4-20 21:32:02 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
Ironman 師弟,再補充日本人在中国也投降,中華民国每到一處都有接受日本降書,英国人在香港也是,如你無知可在網上看看,當時美国並不理會國民政府將琉球自己管理,已经是錯。如你不知歷史,唯兄可教你。
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Hongkongcowboy 發表於 2013-4-20 20:20
Ironman 師弟,你說四代都经历二戰。我想你是八十後吧,我英文不太好希望冇誤解的意思。我们為何要記住日本 ...

又一个人身攻击的评语。。。。哈哈。。。 幼稚?哈哈。。 so?

在中国成立前,各个土地是不是各有各的领域?不是侵犯的来吗?教学里有跟你说过那些仇恨赢方没有建戰爭纪念館吗?哦。。。。好像都没提起吧? 不见的你会痛恨另一个民族吧? 为什么中国教育里不提起呢?怎么只提起日本的近代历史呢?  

同个事实日本历史教学不提起战事。就算要痛恨也不是痛恨日本人。那是天皇吧?

那是教育的错,让你们痛恨日本人,不怪你。

就你所说战争。so? 南京事件。。。天安门呢? 自己的都不道歉哦。。。。也没建任何管吧?我无知,幼稚,本该早死就你所说哦。


冷血? 哈哈。。。我是冷血,那你呢?  对祖宗不敬? 被国家埋没了你祖先的过去。。。。国家的形成事所发生的事呢?你的祖先族人被多少人残害了才能建国?现在还不是大家在一起生活? 哈哈。。。。就因为教学里不在提起了。。。。  记录被烧了。。。。哈哈。。。

试问有什么分别?  痛恨日本人?  哈哈。。。。加油哦。。。      

你那么热血,去翻下还有什么你祖先的过去吧。。。。我相信会比这日本的事件更加的死的多和残忍的多了。   你不去找?那你也和我一样冷血了。

那么热血?去把天安门事件拿出来讲,去跟中央谈谈怎么赔赏,要戰爭纪念館的。。。。

努力吧。

你要人身攻击,随你哦。
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本帖最後由 ironman75 於 2013-4-20 22:39 編輯
Hongkongcowboy 發表於 2013-4-20 21:32
Ironman 師弟,再補充日本人在中国也投降,中華民国每到一處都有接受日本降書,英国人在香港也是,如你無知 ...


呵呵。。。。

谢谢你的教导哦我这无知的人哦。

你见过那降书吗? 不一样版本吗?如是不一样的,那就用这来带上海洋国际法庭咯。
哈哈。。。。。

中国的网站。。。。。。有多少是政府控制的?哈哈。。。。有的话就拿去跟美国争执。说美国玩弄地域安全。   哈哈。。。。拿来压制日本人啊。。。收着干嘛?   
一样的版本吧。。。哈哈。。。。。不然早就拿出来了。。。。

如是一样的版本,就跟据美国那样说了。   


我没看过那降书哦,也不是我这凡人能看的。你那么的有学问可能你能看到。就你说的每个国家都收到了。。。哈哈。。。那部算野蛮?  good luck to you.


从中国政府用媒体,教育,来扇动,恶劣的游行,。。。哈哈。。。那天起就很佩服中国政府的万能。。。。和清楚明白控制媒体和教育的效果。   万分佩服。。。。 

good luck to you and continue hate the japs. 


你不尊重我的看法,要贬资我,随你咯。。。。想不到97年后的香港,变了。   真可悲,看法不一样就的被人身攻击了。。。哈哈。。。 希望你是香港的一小部分。  希望大部分人还是保留英国是,给他人自由的想法看法。 

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發表於 2013-4-20 22:36:34 用手機發表 | 顯示全部樓層
重有ironman你吾好以为日本人俾錢可洗刷罪孽,如果有人話殺你全家但會俾番錢你,你吾會冷血到接受吖嗎?
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